Recollecting his discussions with DTI ministers when in government, Gummer said there would always follow a telephone call from the department saying "you didn't quite get it right; we haven't actually done it that way; and no, you cannot go as far as you want to go." He added: "It is traditionally the department that has done least to promote energy efficiency and above all initiate green cuts."
Nonetheless, there is a small body of opinion within the DTI devoted to energy efficiency, added Gummer. He called on that "missionary body" to convert the whole department. A bemused DTI official who witnessed the tirade comments that for some time John Gummer has had a bee in his bonnet about the DTI.